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I have Adobe Illustrator which I bought outright at least 8 to 10 years ago. Now I see if you want to purchase Adobe Illustrator you will have a monthly fee. I definitely do not like that idea. Say you pay $20 a month that would be $240 a year or $1200 for a 5 year period. Now I realize you will get the update along with that whenever there is an update versus having to pay for the update. But it fills my need so I have never updated the software. This is why if I ever would need another software to draw with I will probably check out the Corel Draw.

When I first got Adobe Illustrator I took personal lesson to learn how to use the pen tool and there was a learning curve to it. One day  while searching for how to make roads I came across a web site  telling how to make simple roads. I don't remember what site it was but basically it said on layer 1 to draw your roads (I use black) when you are finish copy all the roads and lock layer 1 and create layer 2 and use (I have a Mac) hold down command and the F key and it will copy right over the top of the roads on layer 1. You would then change the color of the roads on layer 2 to (I use white) a color. Make the weight of your line smaller than the weight of the line on layer 1. And than you will have all the roads. This is the basic way I do it. Sometimes you may have to make adjustments but they are just small adjustments. I am by far not an expert but if I can help please get in touch with me.

The Classroom in a Book chapters are supposed to take 45 minutes each.  I'm averaging 120 minutes per and am not learning much that will obviously be helpful in drawing maps.  Then again, you don't know what you didn't know until you learn it.  On that basis, I'm going to stick with my plan of working my way through the book before I draw my next map.

I agree, Frank. You are doing it the "right" way. I never did that. I just jumped in and assumed I could noodle out how to do stuff. This turned out to be a bit of a challenge. Going to the Corel help files often got me what I wanted, but sometimes it didn't. I am all but certain that, had I invested the time, as you are, in learning the basic ropes of a complex software program, I would have experienced less frustration in my first few years of using it. As it is, I don't even know what I am missing. So, I have begun to watch a few tutorial videos. 

Because A.I. and C.D. are so huge, your way will reassure you of all the things you can safely ignore in your quest to create good maps, which relieves any FOMO. This should help you focus on the elements which get you on the way to your goal in ways you can't anticipate. Finally, after you've made your first few maps, your learning curve will probably slant upward quickly.

I know the cost of a pro program for creating maps is one obstacle. I don't know whether this or the steep learning curve is more responsible for discouraging more measurers from trying one. It's probably both things. This is a shame, I think. When I was a certifier, I saw the good, bad, and ugly in measurer submitted maps. A couple I got were so bad that I knew it would take me less time to do a new one myself than to try to bring a non-artist up to speed with his/her hand-drawn map.

There are some real artists in our ranks. Take a glance at Bob Thurston's hand-drawn maps, for one example. Bob is one of a small group among our ranks who have the skills to make clear, detailed, accurate manual maps that also have some eye appeal. For a race director and his/her staff who have no familiarity with a course or the area in which it is located, this clarity and detail is obligatory. This is where digital maps do so much better for most of us.

I see more maps created with Open Office Draw these days. Taken as a whole, these maps are far better than most hand-drawn maps. While the learning curve is not as steep for O.O.D. as for the pro programs, it is nevertheless a non-trivial enterprise to get comfortable with it. Mark Neal's videos and Nathan Porch's video are all excellent. Yet, I believe the high-end programs will ultimately result in greater ease of map drawing and in greater satisfaction with the end product.

I am certain that, if I were a certifier again, I would encourage every measurer who plans to certify more than a handful of courses a year to consider taking the steps you are. Long ago, there was some discussion about getting a group license for A.I. or Corel Draw. I don't think there was sufficient interest at the time. When our new submission system comes on line later this year, we will have expanded latitude in the types and size of image files we can submit. This removes one legacy reason for not using a drawing program. I think the future will see a greater percentage of digitally-drawn maps, which is a very good thing for all involved. Maybe we'll re-visit the group license idea in the future. I volunteer to create a video on drawing with Corel when there is enough interest. Maybe you'll be ready to do one for Adobe by then!

oscarwagner posted:

Flattered that my Haunted Half is included above.  I use Inkscape.  It is free but like all layered vector graphics programs, quirky with a steep learning curve.  Inkscape, believe it or not, takes spells of not working / grinding to a crawl because unwittingly changed one of about 50 global preferences and can't figure out what the problem is.  After many Inkscape uninstalls and reinstalls, I tried Draw this morning and could barely make a straight line.  This forum log on was to search for Nathan's Draw Tutorial which received rave reviews when he did it originally. 

I didn't know you use Inkscape, Oscar. You do a fine job with it. I took a look at Inkscape once. I did not like it.

We all know maps can take more time to create than does the physical measurement. This is the beauty of the high end programs. Once you have made the investment in them, map drawing becomes much easier and quicker, as well as providing a superior product. If there is some map error after submission, fixing it is a snap. And the imprimatur of professionalism these high-quality maps reflect on us is indispensable, IMO.

Above illustrator (AI) is definitely the way to go, but is painful. I went this route only after having some vector knowledge from ezdraw (mac only) and the Mac crashed while I was on site measuring a course in IL. PC (windows) was my only option so I downloaded AI, the first map looked cryptic and took hours. The  transition was painful, honestly I would have been better off with no previous vector knowledge. UTube taught me a lot. 3-years post conversion I’d never go back, I actually installed AI on my new Mac 

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