Policy expired courses

Gene,

I assume you mean, "it mus be a least 0.08% OVER the advertised distance."

Alan

Gene,
As I am about to remeasure an expired course, what about a course that has certified miles associated with it? If the course is deemed OK after one ride, what about the miles? Can I assume they are correct or do I have to measure them on the ride also? This is important as awards are given to the leaders at one mile and at two miles in a race on this course.

If the course is deemed within the .08% of the advertised distance, do I have to adjust the existing start or finish line?
Thanks,
Vince

Gene
What about calibration courses?
Thanks
Matthew

Calibration courses will have to be discussed. My feeling is if the marks are still there, then it would be good to go. I will open this up for discussion in a couple of weeks.

The miles must also be verified!

If the course is remeasured only once, the remeasured length must be within 0.08% of the intended race distance, and if it comes out shorter than the intended length, distance must be added to the course to bring it to the intended length. If agreement isn’t obtained within 0.08%, or if the measurer thinks the course should be shortened, then a second measurement is required, as for a new certification.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gene Newman:
Calibration courses will have to be discussed. My feeling is if the marks are still there, then it would be good to go. I will open this up for discussion in a couple of weeks.

The miles must also be verified!

If the course is remeasured only once, the remeasured length must be within 0.08% of the intended race distance, and if it comes out shorter than the intended length, distance must be added to the course to bring it to the intended length. If agreement isn’t obtained within 0.08%, or if the measurer thinks the course should be shortened, then a second measurement is required, as for a new certification.

Remember, one ride is only used if the course is unchanged.

Another point is what do you send to the Regional Certifier.

Per/post cal sheets - data sheet(showing verification of .08%) - original certificate - measurers contact info - Certifier's agreed fee for review

Given that there is no requirement that a certified course have any marked intermediate splits whatsoever, why must the miles be verified?

I believe I have an assignment this coming weekend for which this policy might apply. Expired course that I'm told hasn't changed for which I was the original measurer. I think I'll measure the course twice, anyway, to ensure the certification will be valid, as there are still too many questions regarding this policy.

Once again, what might make sense to even a majority of the RRTC officers may not make a whole lot of sense to the running community at large. And when we start making people do things that don't make sense to them, we start getting tuned out.

Personally I think the "USATF Certified" brand has considerable equity, and I'd hate to see it lose some of it because a small group of people with a vested interest in seeing more courses measured and certified force race directors to spend time and money going through a process that could quite reasonably be avoided.

Jay - the miles are not required to be verified. Vince Kelley asked specifically about certified miles in a previous post, and Gene responded to that specific situation.

Jay,

Again, I respect your opinion. However, decisions are made in lots of situations with a small group of people that represent the majority.

I don't agree with your analogy we are only interested in dollars. The truth is we are interested in validating a course after 10 years with a single ride.

As for miles, that was for a special situation.

I asked the RRTC officers their opinion and we came to an agreement. As a matter of fact the 2 that agreed with your compromise have changed their original position.

Best regards,

Gene